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03-21-2021, 07:42 PM
This is my first posting hailing from the Cleveland OH area and feel compelled to introduce myself after watching so many of Dave?s videos and also pass along a couple tips. I took Dave?s advise, bought his ATF-54 application kit and applied for the license. I?m happy to report I just got the certification in the mail. The videos in the kit were great and thorough, in Dave?s straightforward style which I find appealing as all of his videos.
My ATF agents? interview was prearranged by telephone and for the most part went well but there were a couple items that needed some clarification which I think some of you might find helpful:
I had answered NO to Item 13, ?is a state or local license required?? knowing that I do need Ohio licenses and approvals to put a match to a fireworks fuse. The video had mentioned this could go either way depending on the ATF interviewer and in my case inferred I should get the OH license before this federal. I did not want to delay Type 54 license to go through the quite involved and lengthy Ohio Exhibiter?s license process. On the Ohio application I knew it asks if the applicant has a federal license so I explained I felt it was a chicken or the egg first situation. The ATF agreed but wanted me to answer #13 ?yes? which I changed and referenced ?Ohio Exhibitor? with a ?TBD? application date.
#19 and #20 asks where I plan to purchase and transport the [fireworks]. I don?t have any immediate location plans and being situated just outside Cleveland east, I simply entered ?Tri-State Area?. That was not specific enough for the agent so I entered MI-OH-PA and that went through.
The toughest process of the application was the contingency plan. I don?t have much of a pyrotechnic network of associate businesses yet and I had stuck out with cold calls to likely northeast Ohio sources. I?ve since learned Ohio doesn?t allow even ATF approved magazines be constructed. Another anal Ohio fireworks set of laws such as not allowing delivery (online ordering) of 1.4 product. It has to be purchased from an Ohio retailer then expected to be transported out of state to shoot within 48 hours (yea-right - my rant!).
Dave?s video shows some contingency letter examples and one of them is from Ace Pyro. If you check their web site, you can find detailed Type 54 application instructions which I found to be a good compliment and affirmation with Dave?s video. I called Ace Pyro and had a great conversation about their support for the pyrotechnic hobby, one of which providing me with a letter of contingency from their business to send with the Type 54 application.
Going back to the interview, the agent questioned the large distance of the contingency location and would not accept a plan to shoot off all the product to avoid returns for storage. Other possibilities happen to be a large distances from my location as well . That and a couple other truths and half truths were enough to convince the interviewer to relent and recommend the permit submittal ?up the ATF chain of approval?.
So persevere and good luck to all!
My ATF agents? interview was prearranged by telephone and for the most part went well but there were a couple items that needed some clarification which I think some of you might find helpful:
I had answered NO to Item 13, ?is a state or local license required?? knowing that I do need Ohio licenses and approvals to put a match to a fireworks fuse. The video had mentioned this could go either way depending on the ATF interviewer and in my case inferred I should get the OH license before this federal. I did not want to delay Type 54 license to go through the quite involved and lengthy Ohio Exhibiter?s license process. On the Ohio application I knew it asks if the applicant has a federal license so I explained I felt it was a chicken or the egg first situation. The ATF agreed but wanted me to answer #13 ?yes? which I changed and referenced ?Ohio Exhibitor? with a ?TBD? application date.
#19 and #20 asks where I plan to purchase and transport the [fireworks]. I don?t have any immediate location plans and being situated just outside Cleveland east, I simply entered ?Tri-State Area?. That was not specific enough for the agent so I entered MI-OH-PA and that went through.
The toughest process of the application was the contingency plan. I don?t have much of a pyrotechnic network of associate businesses yet and I had stuck out with cold calls to likely northeast Ohio sources. I?ve since learned Ohio doesn?t allow even ATF approved magazines be constructed. Another anal Ohio fireworks set of laws such as not allowing delivery (online ordering) of 1.4 product. It has to be purchased from an Ohio retailer then expected to be transported out of state to shoot within 48 hours (yea-right - my rant!).
Dave?s video shows some contingency letter examples and one of them is from Ace Pyro. If you check their web site, you can find detailed Type 54 application instructions which I found to be a good compliment and affirmation with Dave?s video. I called Ace Pyro and had a great conversation about their support for the pyrotechnic hobby, one of which providing me with a letter of contingency from their business to send with the Type 54 application.
Going back to the interview, the agent questioned the large distance of the contingency location and would not accept a plan to shoot off all the product to avoid returns for storage. Other possibilities happen to be a large distances from my location as well . That and a couple other truths and half truths were enough to convince the interviewer to relent and recommend the permit submittal ?up the ATF chain of approval?.
So persevere and good luck to all!