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aerialpyro
07-19-2017, 01:01 AM
I couldn't find a single place that gathers the resources displayfireworks1 has posted on getting licensed so here it is. Below everything, I included some state specific restrictions/info on my state Oregon.

Video introducing the video package. Get it here!! (http://www.pyrotalk.com/shopping.php)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGgZYdfFJ_0

Addresses common misconceptions - very helpful info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgriSy-wCDU

Making Fireworks restrictions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5KT8z1JcU

Getting Legal powerpoint. Seems to reference an older application form then I could find, but valuable info. Sounds like more details are on the DVD (http://www.pyrotalk.com/shopping.php)
http://www.pyrotalk.com/bulletin/showthread.php?3565-Getting-Legal-Power-Point

Summary:
ATF manages the commercial manufacture, sale, transport, and storage of explosives.
You can manufacture fireworks without a license or magazine if they don't leave your property and are used the same day, otherwise it can get complicated.
State and local governments may have restrictions on use of fireworks you may need to look in to. This usually falls under the state and local fire martial unless you are outside of any local fire districts. Display companies that also wholesale 1.3 product sometimes can help. This doesn't have to be a show stopper though as there are usually ways to legally use what you are licensed by the ATF to buy and transport.

State Specific Info:

Oregon:
Operators certification requires test, and 3 shows experience on Oregon shows. There are different permit catagories for both 1.4 and 1.3 shows.
ORS-480.130 - Operators certification and individual event permit required to use a fireworks in Oregon in most circumstances.

ORS-480.120 - Section 1.e permits testing by manufacturers in "such places where such experiments are normally conducted".

Anyone know of any more restrictions/loop holes in the Oregon law?

My strategy is to get the DVD set and pursue a part 20 (manufacture of high explosives) license. If I manufacture my own igniters, I should be able test them on 1.3 product along with some of my own at testing locations without having to get the state certifications right off. I need a magazine anyway due to my distance from the suppliers in my area. Being licensed for manufacturing protects me from problems that can happen from incidental profits. It seems the ATF has a similar interpretation to the FAA and their definitions of commercial with respect to part 107 use.

Note: Dave, feel free to edit, delete, or replace this post/thread. If there are any errors, please identify what needs edited. Ideally it would be awesome if you could make a new sticky thread with this type of info that individual state info could be added to over time.

displayfireworks1
07-19-2017, 04:46 AM
If you have questions about the state of Oregon, give Dan at Tannerite a call. I suspect he may tell you like me ,forget all that making your own stuff , get the ATF license and just purchase what you need. The choice is yours. My research tells me a majority of new enthusiast want to stop trying to make fireworks once they are licensed to purchase commercially made ones.

aerialpyro
07-20-2017, 05:04 PM
It is the incidental profits I am concerned about. If I end up making a youtube channel with a video about my marshmallow rocket composition, potato chip smoke, or something else that brings in money indirectly, then it sounds like I need more then just a part 54. It sounds like the ATF defines commercial use similar to the way the FAA does. Because of that, I think it is the safest to just go with the better magazine and go full part 20. Also, like I said above, I'm to far away to use contingency storage without a 3+ hour drive one way.

Northern Sky
07-20-2017, 11:06 PM
If you have questions about the state of Oregon, give Dan at Tannerite a call. I suspect he may tell you like me ,forget all that making your own stuff , get the ATF license and just purchase what you need. The choice is yours. My research tells me a majority of new enthusiast want to stop trying to make fireworks once they are licensed to purchase commercially made ones.
You know that the PGI is mostly made up by and for manufacturing right?

displayfireworks1
07-21-2017, 07:09 AM
He is too many steps ahead of himself. Work on Step-A. Then proceed from there. I keep saying enthusiast that keep asking 50 questions usually never proceed with the ATF license. If you look hard enough for a reason to fail, you will usually find it. You are worried about incidental profits as you put it and your not even done with Step-A. Did you purchase my ATF/DVD package?

aerialpyro
07-21-2017, 09:50 AM
He is too many steps ahead of himself. Work on Step-A. Then proceed from there. I keep saying enthusiast that keep asking 50 questions usually never proceed with the ATF license. If you look hard enough for a reason to fail, you will usually find it. You are worried about incidental profits as you put it and your not even done with Step-A. Did you purchase my ATF/DVD package?


Yep, got an email saying it was shipped yesterday. I'm not looking for a reason to fail. I'm looking for challenges to overcome. Also looking ahead to where I hope to be in the next 3 years so I don't have to pay licensing fees twice. I also understand that just because I get licensed doesn't mean I'm ready to plunge directly in to manufacturing without learning a lot more about methods and safety.