ATF in Ohio again.

[displayfireworks1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slhlG5lxPXg&feature=youtu.be
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Do not voluntarily withdraw you ATF Fireworks license application.

[djsmurf]

Dave, something that might help my fellow people in Ohio. The Application for Exhibitors License in Ohio requires the applicant "3. Submit a letter of proficiency in the handling/discharging of product for exam type applying for (i.e. Type I must have firework and pyrotechnic experience). The letter(s) shall be endorsed with the signature of an Ohio licensed exhibitor, manufacturer or wholesaler of fireworks in Ohio, or a copy of a valid exhibitor license issued by another state. "

In my eyes it makes sense for me to be able to "purchase" the product, so I can then work with another licensed exhibitor, to then obtain my letter of proficiency. I can shoot shows with them all day long however "becoming proficient in the handling" requires I purchase, transport to show or storage, and set-up a show. Meaning the ATF license is all but required if I am working to obtain my exhibitors license in Ohio.

That's the way I look at it.

[NWPA]

Can a type 54 be applied for with an NFA trust as you would with a machine gun? Just wondering.

[Northern Sky]

I guess I don't understand the beef here. If I lived in an unfriendly state for something that I wanted to do, that could get me in heat for participating in that behavior I wouldn't get all huffy. I'd find out what was needed and how to go about following the laws or rules.

In this case, having a 54 permit would give the ABILITY to purchase product that it is unlawful for ME to use legally where I live? That sounds like asking for trouble. It's like giving a gambler $100 bill in the entrance to a casino and expecting that $100 bill back. I AM A PYRO. If there is a fuse I WANT TO LIGHT IT.

I guess I'm an idiot.

[davidlynch]

So, I'm close to the border of friendly states - so applicants in Ohio close to me can say with all honesty that they want to purchase fireworks and shoot them in Kentucky or Indiana. ATF has been pushing this Ohio license thing, but Dave's right - this is a SHALL ISSUE license. There are lots of guild events and open shoots (hey, we're having one in March!) that allow safe and permitted places for licensees to use their ability to purchase. Obviously Ohio sucks since we can't have storage in the state, but there is contingency storage available (presumably) within the state, and places in good states like Indiana. We've had lots of folks telling us that this particular IOI is pushing Ohio folks to withdraw, but stand your ground! He's really a good dude, I like him a lot - but I do think he's just doing what he's told. It is what it is - if we don't read the Orange Book, do our homework, and understand our rights - then really we don't deserve to have that license. I am not aware of any instances where an Ohio applicant was denied - there is no legal basis for doing so and I'll even go so far as to say that if an Ohio applicant is denied BECAUSE they don't have an Ohio exhibitor's license, presuming that they have a reasonable storage plan in place, I will represent them pro bono. It's just not going to happen. Know your stuff, stand your ground, get licensed. Easy easy.

[displayfireworks1]

Thanks for your comment Dave
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Please see attached redacted document, if anyone in Ohio or any other state has received a similar document please tell me. Note carefully how the document makes it look like this is what the applicant desired.
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[Northern Sky]

There are lots of guild events and open shoots (hey, we're having one in March!) that allow safe and permitted places for licensees to use their ability to purchase.

Obviously Ohio sucks since we can't have storage in the state, but there is contingency storage available (presumably) within the state, and places in good states like Indiana.
Contingency storage is difficult to obtain and there is a moratorium for adding additional magazines.

It is what it is - if we don't read the Orange Book, do our homework, and understand our rights - then really we don't deserve to have that license.
This is part of the process.


I am not aware of any instances where an Ohio applicant was denied - there is no legal basis for doing so and I'll even go so far as to say that if an Ohio applicant is denied BECAUSE they don't have an Ohio exhibitor's license, presuming that they have a reasonable storage plan in place, I will represent them pro bono. It's just not going to happen. Know your stuff, stand your ground, get licensed. Easy easy.
Know your stuff, stand your ground, get licensed. Easy easy. That is what it takes. Not all business offer storage


Thanks for your comment Dave
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Please see attached redacted document, if anyone in Ohio or any other state has received a similar document please tell me. Note carefully how the document makes it look like this is what the applicant desired.
You are going to need to be signed in to see the attached document.
This is unfortunate.