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Shootingstar_pyro86
12-22-2014, 07:09 PM
So today I recived my permit I applyed for. But it says type 33 not 54. Are they the same?

PyroManiacs
12-23-2014, 03:43 PM
Did you list "bulk salutes" on your application?

displayfireworks1
12-23-2014, 08:33 PM
Not sure if it is sold in Delaware or not but the ATF gave you a Rolling Rock Beer license. LOL
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http://f3nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/rolling-rock.jpg
http://chuckthomas.com/rrock/images/rrtapac7.jpg
http://www.beer-faq.com/wp-content/uploads/image/rolling_rock_33.jpg
http://www.chuckthomas.com/rrock/images/rrgarlp.jpg
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Refresh my memory, do you have your own magazine or did you use contingency storage on your application?

Shootingstar_pyro86
12-24-2014, 09:26 AM
@pyromaniac I do not remember listing them.
@displayfirework1 hahaha that was my first beer. I am using contingency.

displayfireworks1
12-27-2014, 10:39 PM
Since you live in Delaware I am trying to figure out what field office the ATF Inspector came out of?
http://www.justice.gov/archive/mps/2006omf/manual/maps/atf_large.jpg
For some reason I am thinking the inspector checked off something on your application during your interview. When you had your interview do you remember the inspector asking you to initial something on the application. I know sometimes during the interview process they correct the application and will ask the applicant to initial the changes.

displayfireworks1
12-29-2014, 11:06 AM
I checked with one of my sources at the ATF. They are telling me nothing is really changed. They are moving into basic groups now. There are users of explosives (That is us), there are sellers of explosives and then there are importers of explosives. They also told me you can purchase any type of explosive with a user of explosives permit.

displayfireworks1
12-30-2014, 10:55 AM
Federal Explosive License/Permit Types

Type Description
19 MANUFACTURER OF EXPLOSIVES
20 MANUFACTURER OF EXPLOSIVES
21 MANUFACTURER OF EXPLOSIVES
22 MANUFACTURER OF EXPLOSIVES
23 IMPORTER OF EXPLOSIVES
24 IMPORTER OF EXPLOSIVES
25 IMPORTER OF EXPLOSIVES
26 DEALER OF EXPLOSIVES
27 DEALER OF EXPLOSIVES
28 DEALER OF EXPLOSIVES
29 DEALER OF EXPLOSIVES
33 USER OF EXPLOSIVES
34 USER OF EXPLOSIVES
35 USER OF EXPLOSIVES
36 USER (LIMITED) OF EXPLOSIVES
37 USER (LIMITED) OF EXPLOSIVES
38 USER (LIMITED) OF EXPLOSIVES
50 MANUFACTURER OF EXPLOSIVES
51 IMPORTER OF EXPLOSIVES
53 DEALER OF EXPLOSIVES
54 USER OF EXPLOSIVES
55 USER (LIMITED) OF EXPLOSIVES
60 USER (LIMITED) OF EXPLOSIVES
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The ATF is attempting to simplify the explosive licensing structure. Problem is they may not be uniformly implementing it.
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Please see the following links
June 2009 scroll down to
"Simplified License and Permit Structure"
http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/newsletters/fel/fel-newsletter-2009-06.pdf
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December 2012
Scroll down to
"Type 19 Licensed Activities"
http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/newsletters/fel/fel-newsletter-2012-12.pdf
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Here is section of the information I received from my source.
licensing will continue to refer to the old license “types” on licenses for statistical purposes, but that there is no longer a real distinction between explosives types for licensing
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While the language in these newsletters and communications is ambiguous to some degree, the word I am getting is Type 54 is a user of explosives in general. Remember this does not exempt you from the storage requirements for whatever you have.

Shootingstar_pyro86
01-01-2015, 06:51 PM
So it's just another type of user of explosives. Yes I did initial a few things.

displayfireworks1
01-01-2015, 08:51 PM
According to my source if you have any type of ATF user license/permit you can purchase dynamite etc. It was actually this way in 2003 when the Feds took all of this over. For example in 2003 a User Limited permit allowed you to make six explosive purchases per year. Any explosive. The trend in 2014 is even if you have a license no one is going to sell high explosive to a private ATF license holder, they will sell you a service with them using the explosive. I am sure I could convince Tannerite Corporation to sell me some high explosive, but to me all of that stuff is just a big firecracker.

PyroManiacs
01-01-2015, 09:50 PM
but to me all of that stuff is just a big firecracker.

Sure is!!!!