Crossing bridges with the AFT type 54 user license

[Adam PA Artist]

I got a question to anyone who has there 54 Permit. Lets say you live in Long-island NY or somewhere that you would have to cross a bridge to get into P.A... You pick up your 1.3 products from a NY distributor and head off to your shoot site in PA. Now you get pulled over crossing the bridge with fireworks in the trunk of the car but you have proof of your 54 permit/License and show them. Can and will you be in trouble for crossing a bridge with 1.3 product. Is that any violation code of the DOT or any other agency for crossing a bridge ?

[cfdtk1]

Adam for a hazmat drives point of view we have route cards for all shows that we do and if you get cought of that route not a good thing

[PyroManiacs]

I will be learning all about that soon cfdtk1!

Cant wait to get this license w/hazmat!

[cfdtk1]

I will be learning all about that soon cfdtk1!

Cant wait to get this license w/hazmat!

Good luck lots of new regulations since I got mine 15yrs ago.

[Adam PA Artist]

Understood but if im driving to a shoot location and it is non profit nothing to do with commerce i heard its ok to drive from one location to another with you product. So is that correct or misinformation just wondering ?

[Bighorn]

If it is a non profit you can drive anywere. You do not need a hazmat card or route if it is not for business and you are not making money off it. So to sum it up if you are not going to turn it into a big business just go out and shoot for the cost of the fireworks

[Marine pyro]

Is that for all states and if so you don't have to transport it in a box truck? You can take 1.3 in a pov?

[PyroJoeNEPA]

You can haul a 24" shell around in the trunk of your car if you are "not in commerce"---however--there are restrictions going through tunnels & over some bridges with 1.1g & 1.3g products--just like propane cylinders are not allowed----you are dealing with state DOT regs here--not ATF, so your "54" isn't going to protect you if you get stopped transporting something you shouldn't be carrying through a restricted area. I remember driving back from west PA a couple years ago & going through all the tunnels--there were BIG billboards at the tunnel entrances showing all the placards of items not allowed in the tunnels. Just saying.

[displayfireworks1]

Does the state of New York have a rule about transporting explosives across a bridge? I know here in Pennsylvania explosives are not permitted to be transported through a tunnel. But that Is not true in all states. I had to drive a professional display through some southern states and they had a rule that trucks with explosive loads had to be in the right lane only going through a tunnel. I know there is one tunnel in West Virginia or Virginia that goes through a mountain and if you did not go that route, I am not sure how you would go.
Here is Pennsylvania
http://www.aaroads.com/northeast/pennsylvania075/i-076_eb_exit_189_01.jpg
The tunnel restriction may be a Northern United States thing so to speak.

[Adam PA Artist]

Hey Dave im not to sure yet the exact info with NY concerning bridges and tunnels. Might need a owner and posses explosives license to transport from NY im still inquiring about it. But are you saying even with your ATF license you can't travel in any tunnels in PA while driving to a shoot or you get in trouble ?

[Blam Blam]

Please don't take this as legal advice (as IANAL) but, the rules you are talking about are DOT rules. DOT rules only apply to you when you are in commerce. So since you a not in commerce, . . .

[PyroManiacs]

If you ARE in commerce, you still can travel across bridges in NY with 1.3G

However, the authorities will need to know way ahead of time so they can meet you at the bridge and escort you across.

[Adam PA Artist]

I kinda assumed that just need a confirmation but thanks for the response Blam

[Adam PA Artist]

Your absolutely correct pyro because the company i helped do a pro shoot had all that worked out ahead a time with the DOT the Fire-Marshall and the police escorted them over the bridge. So i understand how that works and why its necessary not to mention it was like a $ 40,000 dollar show so it was alot of explosives to be transported.

[PyroJoeNEPA]

Please don't take this as legal advice (as IANAL) but, the rules you are talking about are DOT rules. DOT rules only apply to you when you are in commerce. So since you a not in commerce, . . .

Hmmmmm--very interesting.....so, if you are NOT in commerce then the 1.1/1.3 restrictions do not apply to the tunnels---I assumed [wrongly, i guess] that any materials of that nature were prohibited.
Gotta love making these "grey areas" more clear in our smoke filled minds!
Adam, you got a good discussion going on here with that question ! Still not sure if I know what the answer is yet, though! LOL!

[Adam PA Artist]

Im still not completely sure either lol however to use or posses fireworks in NY i do know you need and '' owner and possess explosive's '' license. So if you meet that requirement it may not be and issue. I need to get in touch with a few other people i know for further clarity on this matter. But what blam blam has stated ive heard others state as-well...