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PyroManiacs
01-19-2013, 03:00 PM
I had a thought. I wondered why 2" display shells are considered 1.3, when theres 2" Consumer Cakes, which are just a bunch of those in a group. And what about the 3" tube cakes that are 1.4? Why dont/cant they downclass the 2" Display shells to Consumer?

Is this a weight issue?

David_La
01-19-2013, 05:42 PM
See the thread: 3" inch cake SCAM!! in the Consumer Fireworks USA section of this forum. It may answer your question.

http://www.pyrotalk.com/bulletin/showthread.php?1515-3-quot-inch-cake-SCAM!!

Northern Sky
01-19-2013, 06:31 PM
Part of the difference is in the packaging. 1.4 includes mortar tube 1 per every 6 or so. 1.3 comes bulk generally with out tubes. Also the 1.3g regularly comes with quick match leaders.

Pyro Nation
01-19-2013, 06:44 PM
also depends on the weight of the pyro chemicals in them... but most of the time it is because the 2" 1.3 have quickmatch on them

PyroManiacs
01-20-2013, 10:27 PM
In that case... has there ever been any 2" shells without quick match on the consumer side?

PyroJoeNEPA
01-21-2013, 02:02 PM
You can make any size shell you want in a 1.4g----[the 3" NOAB's have 2 1/2" hemi's inside a 3" shell casing like David_La pointed out above] but it can only have a maximum of 60 grams of pyro composition total in it [that includes about 10% for the lift charge]. That being said, why would anyone want to bother with 2" shells & racks unless safe shooting distance is an issue?
Physically you can't get much more comp into a 2" shell than a 1.75" ball shell. ..and a 1.75" canister will hold a lot more than a ball shell. So, in 2" cakes they are nice because the tubes are a bit bigger--lots of your cakes are only 25mm [1"] inserts.
It seems much more practical to have 2 1/2" & 3" racks since there are a lot of different effects available in these shell sizes. With 2" shells usually you get peonys & salutes. Looking at the cost per shell & tubes/rack cost it doesn't seem like there is a real "day to day" use or advantage for the 2" shell when you can have 2/12". My humble opinion.
On another note--there are 1.75" salutes that Kellners carry that have visco fuse & 1.75" Lidu salutes that other suppliers sell that have quick match. Of course, both are 1.3g products.

PyroManiacs
01-21-2013, 04:33 PM
Thats about exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks Joe.