INFINITUM for COBRA [Archive]

mtpyro

10-29-2013, 04:23 PM

I didn't see this anywhere on here so i thought i would share,

this is something for the cobra that i am REALLY looking forward to see come out in full production.

http://youtu.be/Z8OpUH7H_ic

the BETA thats in the video can been found here (http://www.smartpyrogear.com/How_It_Works.html)
im suppose to be getting my slats today from COBRA i didn't buy the INFINITUM, but ill be ready when it comes out in production!! :D:D

displayfireworks1

10-30-2013, 08:57 AM

I know you are new to the forums but I have to limit these types of non-advertiser threads for a few reasons. The main one is I have to honor my contracts with my paid advertisers on pyrotalk, the contract includes some exclusive advertising rights. I need advertisers to run the website. The good news is I welcome anyone in business to become part of my website, it is that easy. There are many great pyrotechnic creations and products out there I welcome them to contact me. There is a list of fireworks websites and magazines that failed over the years; I am trying not to be on that list.
The device you posted, the first thing I am thinking about is I bet I could do the same thing with the three RhinoFire systems I have. Setting them up in step mode. I would be able to keep the Cobra module the same and get greater distance using a simple spool of fireworks wire.
Cobra priced their modules so competitively; any new firing system product in this small category is going to have a hard time to compete. Is the cost of this system plus cables and slats cheaper than four new Cobra modules? What advantage does this system have over four new modules?

mtpyro

10-30-2013, 01:39 PM

first off just so it is out there... im not in any way associated with this product.. i heard about it and was so happy i wanted to share.

Dave I was not aware of your contract with advertisers, I know you have em and thats great! and im not offering this or anything for sale. so i didnt think it broke the rules of the forum regarding selling, if it did im sorry and you may do what you need to do with this tread.

I have included many links however to COBRA Firing systems (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/) in this thread who is an advertiser on pyrotalk.. This INFINITUM doesn't work without scott's slats, connectors , etc

this questions you asked

The device you posted, the first thing I am thinking about is I bet I could do the same thing with the three RhinoFire systems I have. Setting them up in step mode. I would be able to keep the Cobra module the same and get greater distance using a simple spool of fireworks wire.
Cobra priced their modules so competitively; any new firing system product in this small category is going to have a hard time to compete. Is the cost of this system plus cables and slats cheaper than four new Cobra modules? What advantage does this system have over four new modules?

if I understand rhino fires correctly they only have 12 cues when used as Steppers? so your proposed setup has 36 -37 cues? or potentially 18 Cobra cues x 18 Rhino fire 12 cue = 216 cues?

your correct with the shoot wire you can stretch those rhinos out there without any extra cables and the Rhino works with any system. that is its advantage

This system is a niche for the COBRA and only works with the COBRA. takes one 18m and turns it into 8x18s slats 144cues.. slats at COBRA are 60 bucks vs $300 for an 18m .. db25 cables (not top of the line) are $20 for a 100ft cable here (http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=102&cp_id=10212&cs_id=1021201&p_id=1588&seq=1&format=1#largeimage)
Scott offers TOP OF THE LINE (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=137)db's 82ft for $115..

your question of cost of 18m vs INFINITUM plus slats and cables. if you only did 4 slats then no no no ... it would be useless... but its designed for 8 slats

and as far as cables I think the question there is a big price difference between one person and the next, whether to buy 22 gauge cable vs 26, 28 etc.

lets go cheapest since thats all im going to do... (electricians are shaking there heads at me right now)

okay 8 - 18m at 280.00 each, no boot, no case = $2240.00 (I would buy a case for each of em personally though = 8x 89.00 (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=57) = $712 so I personally would pay $2952.00)

vs

cheapest
INFINITUM (i dont know what it is going to be in production, right now its 425.00 as BETA).. so lets say = 600.00
slats 8 - 18s at 60 each (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138) = 480.00
cables 8- 100ft at 20each = 160.00
slat connector (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=139) for 1 18m = 40.00
3ft slat cable from scott (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=134) = 13.00

600 + 480 + 160 + 40 + 13 = $1293.00 so MY personal savings is $1659.00 to use for more potential fireworks

now if you wanted to use the expensive cables. I think a person would most likely buy the length that your going to stretch your slats apart from each other and not the LONGEST that scott has available (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=60)

but if you did buy the longest more expensive
INFINITUM = 600.00
slats (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138) = 480.00
scotts 82ft cable (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=137) 8 x 115 = 920.00
slat connector (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=139) for 1 18m = 40.00
3ft slat cable from scott (http://www.cobrafiringsystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=134) = 13.00

600 + 480 + 920 + 40 + 13 = $2053.00 vs 2240.00

i would be interested to know how much 12 rhino fires would cost in the USA ... 12 cobra cues x 12 rhino fires = 144 cues.. ill i have found is they are in the UK at easypyro (http://www.easypyro.com/rhino/step13-sequencer)

pyromaniac

10-31-2013, 01:10 PM

I hate to sound so negative, but I find this product a complete waste of money. I'd rather have more modules than that mess! You would also have to buy something to put the slats in for protection. Since your comparing them to modules with cases.

displayfireworks1

11-01-2013, 08:40 AM

Easypyro and the RhinoFire system once advertised on this website. I have a few videos of it. I will post this one from the PGI convention with Andrew explaining its features. I still have the systems and I know he sold some of them at the convention. However, it never took off in United States. I personally thought it should have been marketed differently, instead of marketing it as an independent system; it is more an adjunct to an existing system. You can listen to Andrew explain and tell me what you think. Do you see similarities between these two systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIhdvgE84_8

mtpyro

11-01-2013, 10:53 PM

Easypyro and the RhinoFire system once advertised on this website. I personally thought it should have been marketed differently, instead of marketing it as an independent system; it is more an adjunct to an existing system. You can listen to Andrew explain and tell me what you think. Do you see similarities between these two systems.

Yes and no, i think the Rhinofire is way beyond and more high tech then what this system for the cobra is. this COBRA add on is just an extension for the cobra, just adds more cues.. were it seems the Rhino fire once triggered could do elaborate firing patterns.. back and forth.. delays..very impressive.. but not needed by me when i just want more cues

I hate to sound so negative, but I find this product a complete waste of money. I'd rather have more modules than that mess! You would also have to buy something to put the slats in for protection. Since your comparing them to modules with cases.

I agree just having modules would be a lot more handy. however $$ do make my decisions more then what i would like.. since this setup without cases for either one saves just under 1000.00 that is pretty much the kicker for me. plus the cue tabs/speaker terminals on the slats are so much bigger the the 18m's .... BUT for now....I came up with a poor mans low tech version of this whole deal,

here the video of me testing it out

http://youtu.be/UTaNwtaeRxE

displayfireworks1

11-02-2013, 09:25 AM

When I look at these two systems, I feel we are looking at the precursors to what may one day be a professional Cobra system.
Is the manual switching box you are using something you created or purchased? If purchased approximately what was the price? The nice thing about your system is you can go in reverse, forward and easily switch from one slat to the other.
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All of these devices sparked my interest a little, he is video of someone else working on something for the Cobra to extend the number of cues. It appears confusing to me perhaps someone can comment on what exactly he did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOiy6B3Vr-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSsw8_gVVtA

This video describes how to expand 6 cues to 15 cues on the Cobra 18M. I'm currently building an device, which adds MosFETs to the Cobra 18M or other systems. It's a MosFET Matrix, which is easy to build, reliable and more cost effective than any other expansion.

Here is an example script for how to use the FET-Matrix:

#Trigger Channel,#Trigger Button,#Confirmation Button,#Return Channel
1,1,,1
#Event Time,#Channel,#Cue,#Description
00:01,1,1,Matrix CH1
00:01,1,2,Matrix CH1
00:02,1,1,Matrix CH2
00:02,1,3,Matrix CH2
00:03,1,1,Matrix CH3
00:03,1,4,Matrix CH3
00:04,1,1,Matrix CH4
00:04,1,5,Matrix CH4
00:05,1,1,Matrix CH5
00:05,1,6,Matrix CH5
00:06,1,2,Matrix CH6
00:06,1,3,Matrix CH6
00:07,1,2,Matrix CH7
00:07,1,4,Matrix CH7
00:08,1,2,Matrix CH8
00:08,1,5,Matrix CH8
00:09,1,2,Matrix CH9
00:09,1,6,Matrix CH9
00:10,1,3,Matrix CH10
00:10,1,4,Matrix CH10
00:11,1,3,Matrix CH11
00:11,1,5,Matrix CH11
00:12,1,3,Matrix CH12
00:12,1,6,Matrix CH12
00:13,1,4,Matrix CH13
00:13,1,5,Matrix CH13
00:14,1,4,Matrix CH14
00:14,1,6,Matrix CH14
00:15,1,5,Matrix CH15
00:15,1,6,Matrix CH15
end,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1IGOvjRXI
Copyright Martin Fandel

Sample script for Cobra 18M:

#Trigger Channel,#Trigger Button,#Confirmation Button,#Return Channel
1,1,,1
#Event Time,#Channel,#Cue,#Description
00:01,1,1,Matrix CH1
00:01,1,2,Matrix CH1
00:02,1,1,Matrix CH2
00:02,1,3,Matrix CH2
00:03,1,1,Matrix CH3
00:03,1,4,Matrix CH3
00:04,1,1,Matrix CH4
00:04,1,5,Matrix CH4
00:05,1,1,Matrix CH5
00:05,1,6,Matrix CH5
00:06,1,2,Matrix CH6
00:06,1,3,Matrix CH6
00:07,1,2,Matrix CH7
00:07,1,4,Matrix CH7
00:08,1,2,Matrix CH8
00:08,1,5,Matrix CH8
00:09,1,2,Matrix CH9
00:09,1,6,Matrix CH9
00:10,1,3,Matrix CH10
00:10,1,4,Matrix CH10
00:11,1,3,Matrix CH11
00:11,1,5,Matrix CH11
00:12,1,3,Matrix CH12
00:12,1,6,Matrix CH12
00:13,1,4,Matrix CH13
00:13,1,5,Matrix CH13
00:14,1,4,Matrix CH14
00:14,1,6,Matrix CH14
00:15,1,5,Matrix CH15
00:15,1,6,Matrix CH15
end,,,

mtpyro

11-02-2013, 12:16 PM